Leinster Rugby is back at the RDS and all’s right with the world…well apart from having to swim back to my car afterwards to make it home in time for the RWC final, it was great to get the home season underway, naturally the result helped with this as well. Mark Jackson & Ciarán Duffy joined me on the pod Sunday evening to offer their top insights.
For the bonus clip this week Mark & Ciarán helped me look at Leinster’s options to start the post-Sexton era for the Leinster 10 jersey.
PURE V PUKE? NEITHER. JUST RUGBY.
Kids are off school this week so little or no time to organise a TikTok rant (for a clip no longer than two minutes there’s a ton of work involved, though I do enjoy them and hope to get back to it after the midterm) but what I would have harped on was the way the sport of rugby was presented to the world over the past couple of months in the French festival.
You’re reading a blog about rugby and I’m writing one so it’s pretty clear we’re both massive fans who would not only watch every moment of most other tournaments as well on top of the 24/7 online content, but we all know that World Cups more than any other event are key for promoting the sport outside its bubble, aiming to convince non- and casual- fans to pay a lot more attention over the next four years.
I guess before analysing how RWC2023 did in this regard, we first must look at what we’re up against when it comes to people who are naturally inclined to be negative. Well first there’s a particular brand of Irish sports fan who for some reason feel it’s not enough to see competition within a particular code, but they also want to compare different codes with each other and thus only watch rugby so they can find the flaws to show how much better their sport is. Obviously we have those types in rugby as well (“rugby values”/“wouldn’t happen in our sport”) but my point is that no matter what you do you’ll never get that lot so it’s not worth even trying.
Next we have to rule out those who expect to be entertained to the fullest in every single sporting encounter. In rugby I guess that means that to these people the only type of game worth watching is one where there’s “free-flowing rugby” with tries raining in from end to end with a series of fancy offloads and miss-passes. Those people are never going to be happy, because they clearly forget that there are defensive coaches doing their level best to stop that happening.
I mean is it too much to expect people to appreciate that there’s plenty to entertain us even without that so-called “purist” style. Take the World Cup final itself. I’ve seen several articles from journalists from within and outside rugby trying to take the shine off of the Springboks’ historic victory by banging on about their approach. This is of course all clickbait garbage – whether you win a match by 1 point or 100, you still win and getting finicky about the style of play says more about the commenter than it does the subject matter.
But even if you weren’t fully clued in on the Laws of the game (and I give a TON of leeway to viewers for this because let’s face it, while it’s no cricket, there’s still a hell of a lot of jargon and conventions to get the hang of) if you couldn’t at least appreciate all the excitement before the match like the rivalry between two great rugby nations, all the passion and anticipation surrounding the anthems, the performance and reaction to the cultural challenge, during the match with the dozens of pivotal moments from the first minute to the last, and eventually after it the contrasting celebrations and disappointment of the two squads, then I reckon you should probably be looking for entertainment elsewhere.
And over the course of the eight weeks there actually was a lot of rugby that could be described as “worldie”, with several so-called YouTube moments with free flowing play and there were even some upsets; just Portugal’s pool stage adventure would make a decent feature film all on its own.
Overall I think there’s only so much a sport can do to make itself more appealing to the masses, at least when it comes to the brick and mortar of the Laws themselves. What you could do to help stimulate interest is try and spread it around the globe and encourage more nations to play to a higher standard, but that has me straying near a Nations League debate that is worthy of a rant all on its own.
I mean it’s not just rugby that tries to change, GAA makes rule changes every season, cricket gets so much shorter that eventually a match is going to be just one ball being bowled, and even soccer is tinkering with the format of its top competitions with both its World Cup and Champions League set to change.
For me anyway, the game is pretty much fine the way it is, maybe a few law tweaks here and there wouldn’t hurt but to be honest I’d much rather they focused on ways to make the game safer without altering the overall feel and flow we all tune in for.
The likes of Off The Ball and Pat Spillane can go do one.
PRE MATCH VIKING CLAP
Speaking of changes, I mentioned on the pod that Mike McCarthy came down to the pitch to get the Leinster fans revved up ahead of kickoff by encouraging them to do a Viking Clap, though I didn’t mention what I thought of it.
I can imagine a lot of people of my generation not being too happy with it but for my part, I’m all for it. I have said many times over the years harpin’ on these pages that the atmosphere at the RDS hasn’t always been what it could be. The lack of a proper chant/song has certainly contributed to that…”Allez les blues” is too French, “molly Malone” too Dublin centric, “Come on you boys in Blue” too generic, and as for the run of the mill “Lehhhhhhn-ster, Lehhhhhhn-ster”, well that’s fine once and a while but it’s hardly the go to option for every situation. And anyone remember “Leinster’s glory”? No? Exactly.
Now just to be clear I’m having a go more at the crowd rather than the organisers, they do a lot to create an atmosphere with the pre-match music and of course Leo the Lion but I thought Mike’s more direct challenge to the crowd was a much better way of getting them fully match ready and assuming it’s to become a regular thing, the “scenes” should get even more “absolute” down the line.
PLAYER OF THE MATCH
It happens quite a lot that I disagree with the decision for Player of the Match, and when it’s for Leinster or Ireland it’s a bit awkward making that disagreement known because it’s a bit like having to choose your favourite kid, but since I have this 80+ column I suppose that gives me a chance to express that opinion.
But I hope it doesn’t give the impression that I have anything against the person who got the award, and in Saturday’s case it was Max Deegan. He did have a great match overall, and I know it was the occasion of his 100th cap, but for me the standards are such at the province that when he drops a ball from the base on an attacking 5m scrum (again, very unlike him, and if it were me I’d drop it every time) we might look elsewhere this time and for me Tommy O’Brien was a much more worthy recipient.
One last time, to be perfectly clear, I am NOT having a go at him, nor at James Downey who made the call. Just saying I saw it differently that’s all.
THINKING OUTSIDE THE BOKS
Congrats to all those honoured in World Rugby’s awards list, especially Andy Farrell who thoroughly deserved it.
And while I certainly wouldn’t hold a view like this from All Black fan and clearly sour grape-connosseiur Ben Smith about the Springboks’ success, I for one wasn’t that surprised that their players didn’t feature too heavily in the team of the tournament.
I could probably see Malherbe ahead of Furlong if I had to make one change but overall the selections seem sound to me.
Maybe, just maybe, RSA representation on the TOTY is low because other nations had better individuals while the Boks had the best team, hence three 1pt wins and the 🏆.
KEEPING UP WITH THE JONESES
I have dedicated a column segment to mention the Eddie Jones news but I don’t see any point going too deep in the weeds on the topic because pretty much everything has been said about him. Literally none of the negative stories and opinions about him surprise me. Actually it’s just boring at this stage. He may have even climbed to my “least favourite Jones” chart ahead of journo Stephen, but even that’s just one article away from changing back.
B&I SUPER LEAGUE?
Once again this topic has crept into the headlines so once again I am forced to state my position.
I am 100% opposed to the suggestion of creating a “British & Irish Super League”.
However, I would be ok with the possibility of Premiership clubs JOINING the United Rugby Championship, once each one can prove financial viability throughout a campaign before preseason starts.
The URC has been through enough branding upheaval over the years and has finally found a form which may not suit everyone at the moment, but surely even the Welsh fans might come on board if they got some regular fixtures with the English.
But to create an entirely new identity just because the Premiership has been proven to be a failed business model just wouldn’t cut it for me.
W.XV UPDATE
I covered Ireland’s latest WXV match on the pod, here’s the transcript…
This is the story of an international rugby finale that could have gone either way right up to the final whistle but as you can probably tell I’m not talking about Saturday night’s battle in Paris.
After two extremely comfortable victories against Kazakhstan and Colombia, the Irish women had a much more formidable opponent in Las Leonas from Spain in their 3rd WXV3 encounter, and although Scott Bemand’s side enjoyed pretty much all the early territory and possession, we had to contend with an early spell with inspirational co-captain Edel McMahon in the sin bin plus an extremely stubborn Spanish defence which was not only difficult to break down but also was able to punish mistakes as outside-centre Claudia Peña Hidalgo pounced on a loose pass to put her side 7-0 up after just ten minutes.
Spain stretched their lead to 10 until a Dannah O’Brien penalty got Ireland on the board, but it was our own defence which needed to be strong before the break and although we managed to stop them from scoring after a prolonged visit to our 22, we did cough up another yellow card this time for Linda Djougang and the resulting penalty saw us go into the break both short handed and behind by 13 points to 3.
We still came out strongly for the 2nd half however, comfortably seeing out the sin bin period without Spain entering our 22 and we gradually wore down their resistance until a succession of penalties marched us into their 22 where a strong maul allowed Grace Moore to fall over the line and Dannah O’Brien added the extras to bring us within three.
Our dominance continued and although we only needed a draw to finish top of the pool, it was a brave decision to ignore the three points on offer from a kickable penalty, and we backed up that confidence with another series of mauls making the Spanish defence crack and this time it was Neve Jones getting the ball down to nudge Ireland in front for the first time.
But the match still had to be seen out and to their credit the Spaniards kept at it right to the 80th minute and beyond until a brilliant lineout steal from Eimear Corri saw us put the ball dead and secure the title and puts them in a good position to go up to the second tier for next season.
I talk a lot on the pod about the problems in Irish womens rugby but this is a time for celebration for a job well done in searing heat over three weeks in Dubai and hopefully the squad can bring these performances through to 2024. One thing I will say however is that the Spanish performance provided further evidence that the women shouldn’t follow the men’s Six Nations model and instead expand to include themselves and possibly more teams down the line.
As ever if you want to keep tabs on the women’s game I find the best sources are Scrumqueens.com and on Twitter or X follow accounts like @IrishWomens.
Round 3
KAZAKHSTAN 0-118 FIJI
KENYA 21-5 COLOMBIA
IRELAND 15-13 SPAIN
🔝🐱🐴 UPDATE
Not a great round for Leinster’s Champions Cup opposition, with our good friends La Rochelle falling at home to Castres making it three defeats out of four to start the season, while Stade Francais got knocked off top spot when they could only muster 3 points in Bayonne. Pau lead the way with Joe Simmonds helping to lead them to a hefty win at Perpignan, while also on 14 points at the top are Castres and Stu Lancaster’s Racing, soon to have a certain RWC winning captain join their ranks.
Leaders Pau v champions Toulouse would appear to be the pick of the Round 5 matchups, perfect for the marquee Sunday night slot.
Round 4
SUN OCT 29
BAYONNE 16-3 STADE FRANCAIS
PERPIGNAN 24-39 PAU
LYON 41-22 CLÉRMONT
MONTPELLIER 16-19 RACING 92
TOULON 41-7 OYONNAX
LA ROCHELLE 24-27 CASTRES
TOULOUSE 29-22 BORDEAUX
Round 5
SAT NOV 4
OYONNAX V LA ROCHELLE
PERPIGNAN V TOULON
BORDEAUX V MONTPELLIER
CLÉRMONT V BAYONNE
STADE FRANCAIS V CASTRES
RACING 92 V LYON
SUN NOV 5
PAU V TOULOUSE
PREMIERSHIP UPDATE
A late Shillcock penalty gave Leicester a one-point win at the Rec although Bath still stay top since none of the 10 teams managed to win all of their opening 3 matches. Saracens finally put one in the win column while Sale Sharks got their fins handed to them by Exeter.
Saracens/Tigers would seem to be the pick of the ties from Round 4, with Leinster set to travel to play both of them in January (Sarries being a friendly).
ROUND 3
GLOUCESTER 3-24 SARACENS
BRISTOL 21-23 HARLEQUINS
EXETER CHIEFS 43-0 SALE SHARKS
BATH 24-25 LEICESTER
NEWCASTLE 14-16 NORTHAMPTON
ROUND 4
FRI NOV 3
SALE SHARKS V GLOUCESTER
SAT NOV 4
HARLEQUINS V NEWCASTLE
NORTHAMPTON V BATH
SARACENS V LEICESTER TIGERS
EXETER CHIEFS V BRISTOL
AIL UPDATE
Both genders AIL return to action after a weekend off, with the top four, all of whom seem destined to reach the semifinals at this stage, avoiding each other so I doubt there will be any real change to the table come next week.
Meanwhile in the men’s Div1A, Lansdowne will be hoping to keep their maximum points record going but certainly won’t have it easy away to Cork Con, who are fresh from toppline the reigning champions in round 3. As for Nure themselves, they’ll surely be looking to come away from Belfield Bowl with some points to get them away from just above the relegation places.
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WOMEN’S AIL
Round 6
SAT NOV 4
BALLINCOLLIG V UL BOHS
BELVO V COOKE
SUTTONIANS V ROCK
WICKLOW V RAILWAY UNION
MEN’S AIL
ROUND 4
SAT NOV 4
BALLYNAHINCH V SHANNON
CITY OF ARMAGH V DUBLIN UNIV
CORK CON V LANSDOWNE
UCD V TERENURE
YOUNG MUNSTER V CLONTARF
HARPIN PREDICTION LEAGUE
Happy enough to remain in 3rd place after 2 rounds although there was a change at the top as Kristian got this week’s yellow cap to leapfrog Conor. Meanwhile in the dreaded Jersey of Shame position down the bottom Tom dragged himself away leaving this week’s pod guest Mark to fall even below Keego.
Early days of course.
AFTER RD 2
PTS
1
KRISTIAN
23.00
2
CONOR
21.00
3
JEFF
19.50
4
KINO
17.00
5
JAY
15.00
6
TOM
14.00
7
KEEGO
13.00
8
MARK
11.00
NEXT BATCH OF HARPIN’
A bonus pod for during the week, I’ll be chatting to Francisco Issac about Portugal, the proposed World League and also the RE Super Cup which kicks off next weekend. Then it’s full attention on the visit of Edinburgh to the RDS on Saturday with a preview before and a wrap pod on Sunday evening so stay tuned for all of that.
As ever, be sure to enjoy your Halloween rugby wherever you are. JLP
A WEEKLY COLUMN LOOKING AT TOPICS BEYOND THE SCOPE OF OUR FEATURE MATCH OF THE WEEK
WRAP OF A WRAP
I have to be honest, those permutations had me nervous right up to kickoff on Saturday, especially the one where an 8-pt Scottish win put us out; my scrambled brain concocted a scenario where they led by 5 in the dying moments before the ref awards a contentious penalty that Russell slots to send us home…but that’s the life of a sports fan, logic rarely enters into the equation.
Let’s just say those thoughts had evaporated by the 2nd minute of the match!!!
And clearly by the time we sat down to do the wrap I was wondering what all the fuss was about, and this week it was the turn of Tom “@LeinsterRoyalty” Coleman and Ciarán “@PostToPostSport” Duffy to harp on the match as well as other events from the World Cup weekend, as ever they did a bang up job.
Just in case it needs pointing out, we here at Harpin Manor consider ourselves fans first and “experts” second. Sure, when you’ve played and followed a sport for so long, and especially when it comes to Leinster and Ireland you’ve watched every single match at least twice for over a decade, you pick up a few things, BUT it’s the fan element we like to promote more than anything else; we certainly aren’t trying to suggest we know more than the TV pundits.
Well, at least not ALL of them….
Anyway, for our bonus clip this week we wanted to lose the analytical hat for once and harp instead on what it’s like actually being a fan, and Tom & Ciarán helped me look at just how we get through a week before what is arguably the biggest test match in Irish rugby history.
IT CAN’T END IN TIERS
For this week’s TikTok opinion I had a look at how World Rugby handles the dilemma of navigating the space between the rock which is appeasing the corporate sponsors and the hard place which is fulfilling the mandate implied in their name.
On the one hand, we were always going to be chuffed here at Harpin Manor to have a TikTok reach over 10,000 views for the first time – over the past few weeks I’ve selected a portion of Ireland matches to focus on a particula positive aspect of Ireland’s play.
But….there’s another side to that coin. Obviously we’re not considered important enough to have our clips taken down by World Rugby???!!! In fact each time I put them up I’m EXPECTING them to be removed, but so far they all remain out there in TikTokLand so there you go!
Maybe I shouldn’t go focusing on the clouds when there’s such an obvious silver lining…
Following on from the Portugal point above, I’m hearing rumblings that despite Fiji’s loss there might be a chance they are admitted to an expanded Rugby Championship. I’m assuming World Rugby is looking for some kind of balance with the Six Nations so it’s possible Japan might be in with a shout as well, but we’ll have to see.
I’m mostly for moves like this, I just wish it was a more holistic approach to the game rather than admitting one or two nations to the top table every decade or so like it has been since the game went pro.
Again, a lot depends on what the plans are for this “World League”. I have a feeling it is not going to go down well with fans in general.
NEW MUNSTER POD
We’ve had Caolán Scully on the pod several times over the past year or so, and he has been hosting his own pod but it now seems he has put together a new project focusing on Munster for the upcoming season, best wishes to himself and Patricia for The Red Army Podcast, hopefully we’ll be able to get them on to harp about it at some point, possibly before the annual St Stephens Day match.
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W.XV KICKOFF
Speaking of World Leagues, the new Womens’ version gets underway this weekend. Ireland’s poor run of form puts them in a “third tier” but I THINK that promotion to the second one is possible.
Obviously I’m not happy with what I’ve been hearing from the Irish camp, about having to live in and around Dublin to name just one, and I’m definitely not happy about this tournament being held in Dubai for all the obvious reasons.
But, as fans when the green jersey is being worn we give them our support and for the next few weeks it’s important to get behind new coach Scott Bemand and his squad as they try to top this league.
The explanations of the format I’ve sought so far haven’t been great, but the way I think it works is that while the 6 teams in WXV3 have been separated into two groups of three, they actually only play the 3 in the opposite pool AND I’m pretty sure all six are presented in the same league table. It doesnt look like there are any playoffs, it’s just the team with the most points after 3 matches finishes first?
I will definitely update this if I learn any more, but best wishes to the squad nonetheless.
As for the top tier WXV1, I have to wonder about the timing…surely after already moving the Women’s World Cup to a different year to distinguish it from the men’s, the last day they’d want to launch this new product is the same weekend as RWC2023 semifinals?
Well I guess at least the Australian fans won’t have any conflict, amirite? Too soon?
WXV3 – Week 1
Fri Oct 13 FIJI V COLOMBIA IRELAND V KAZAKHSTAN (KO 4:30pm Irish time)
Sat Oct 14 SPAIN V COLOMBIA
PREMIERSHIP UPDATE
I know how we’re supposed to feel about English rugby but hopefully even the most hardcore Irish fans of the sport has to feel for the players, staff and fans of the clubs over there which have ceased operations over the past few years.
What’s left is an embarrassingly tiny Premiership of just ten clubs and in some ways maybe it makes sense that they’re kicking off on the same weekend that England are playing in a RWC quarterfinal.
The plan is to keep tabs on the results and such here this season much as we have done for other leagues.
ROUND 1
BRISTOL V LEICESTER EXETER V SARACENS BATH V NEWCASTLE GLOUCESTER V HARLEQUINS SALE V NORTHAMPTON
AIL UPDATE
After the women’s league has already had three rounds, the men got underway last weekend and by the looks of things defending champions Terenure didn’t have everything their own way against Ballynahinch yet still came out with a win to start the season.
New boys City of Armagh managed to get out of Cork with a losing bonus point while Tarf, Lansdowne and Shannon were the other winners from round 1.
Next up we have some interesting derbies, with top of the list being a repeat of last season’s final as Nure head to Castle Avenue as Young Munster host Shannon, all after the Friday Night Colours Match at Belfield Bowl.
Over in the women’s comp, Railway Union, UL Bohs and champions Blackrock all continued their perfect starts although Rock have only played twice over the three rounds so far. The trio have also been kept apart in Round 4.
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WOMEN’S AIL
Round 3
SUTTONIANS 3-38 UL BOHS GALWEGIANS 5-63 RAILWAY UNION COOKE 15-24 BALLINCOLLIG WICKLOW 10-27 BLACKROCK
Round 4
SAT OCT 14 BALLINCOLLIG V WICKLOW BLACKROCK V GALWEGIANS OLD BELVEDERE V SUTTONIANS UL BOHS V COOKE
MEN’S AIL
ROUND 1
DUBLIN UNIV 24-34 CLONTARF LANSDOWNE 29-14 YOUNG MUNSTER SHANNON 27-22 UCD TERENURE 16-13 BALLYNAHINCH CORK CON 28-21 CITY OF ARMAGH
ROUND 2
FRI OCT 13 UCD V DUBLIN UNIV
SAT OCT 14 BALLYNAHINCH V CORK CON CITY OF ARMAGH V LANSDOWNE CLONTARF V TERENURE YOUNG MUNSTER V SHANNON
NEXT BATCH OF HARPIN’
Big, big week coming up, obviously we’ll be giving Ireland QF date with destiny the full Harpin treatment with a preview on Friday and a wrap pod on Sunday, and also take note that this time the team will be announced on Wednesday at noon Irish time.
So please comment, like, share & subscribe to our feeds & channels whenever the mood takes you.
And as ever, be sure to enjoy your rugby wherever you are. JLP
Josephine Boyd Fantastic performance from our boys in green a great win ☘️💚🏈💪💪👍👏
Alastair McDermott You have to be a little bit worried playing New Zealand in the quarterfinals. But just think: they are shitting it facing Ireland.
Angela Cassin Jackson Simply brilliant ☘️☘️☘️
Christy O’Connor What a performance, every player played their part. Ringrose was motm for me but so many put their hands up. Scotland were giving too much respect before this game by so many pundits. Was never in doubt
Kevin Kelehan Dan Sheehan was superb
Antoinette Nevin Zombie 👏👏👏👏
Hubert Gallagher Scotland outclassed. Hopefully injuries not too serious to Hansen, Lowe, Furlong and Ryan. 1 week to prepare for ABs! Another huge step up!
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HARPIN' ON RUGBY 